The Dark Forest (Chinese: 黑暗森林, pinyin: Hēi'àn sēnlín) is a 2008 science fiction novel by the Chinese writer Liu Cixin. It is the sequel to the Hugo Award-winning novel The Three-Body Problem (Chinese: 三体, pinyin: sān tǐ) in the trilogy titled "Remembrance of Earth's Past" (Chinese: 地球往事, pinyin: Dìqiú wǎngshì), but Chinese readers generally refer to the series by the title of the first novel. The English version, translated by Joel Martinsen, was published in 2015.
The second part is as good as the first one.
A great combination of astrophysics, sociology, philosophy.
Luckily I read Asimov's Foundations before Cixin books and I see there are alot of references and parallels with them.
The translation to EN was better and more understandabla in the first part.
I had big difficulties imagining characters. Maybe because of Chinese names, or because of their one-dimensionality.
El bosque oscuro, Liu Cixin (Lurraren iraganaren oroitzapena (Hiru gorputzak); 2)
4 stars
Content warning
Kontuz izenburuaren azalpenarekin ez baduzu liburua irakurri
"Lurraren iraganaren oroitzapena" (edo "'Hiru gorputzak' ezagunagoa den) trilogiaren bigarren alea. Bigarren eskuko azoka batean ikusi nituen eta lehenagotik zekarten famagatik hartu. Harrituta itzi ninduan lehenengoak ez nuelako horrelako istoriorik espero baina denboralditxo bat pasa da bigarren hau irakurri dudanera arte (ea azkenengoa den hurrengorako ez dudan hainbesteko tarterik uzten. Gero eta liburu meheagoen zale bihurtzen ari naiz).
Hau ere oso ondo dago baina lehenengoaren sorpresa efektua galdurik 'arruntagoa' iruditu zait.
Gehien gustatu zaidana, agian izenburuaren azalpena (adi hemendik aurrera) Unibertso osoa baso ilun bat bezala irudikatzen du, non aurrerapen-maila ezberdina garatu duten zibilizazioak ehiztari ixilen antzera dabiltzaten bere burua agerian utziko duen hurrengo harrapakinaren esperoan. Ikuspuntu ilun honek irakurlea erabat astinduko du 'Gizadia' zein aurrerapen mailara heldu daitekeen (Doctorowen "Walkaway"n agertzen zena baina onean gogorarazi dit) erakusten baitio eta gero zartakoa eman.
La historia parece centrarse en ésta ocasión en los vallados, tres hombres con plena libertad para planificar la defensa de la tierra ante la futura llegada de los extraterrestres invasores, que ocurrirá dentro de 400 años.
el comienzo me está gustando, cuando lo termine actualizaré la reseña.
The book's premise is fascinating, it tackles quetions about life, cooperation and conflict. But I agree with kab, the author writes misogynisticly with very objectified female characters.
This book is in a lot of ways more of everything that Three Body Problem was. It's a huger sweep, a pretty intense exploration of how getting thrown into responsibility can break people, and it builds on a lot of the ideas of the first book about how ununified people would be in response to a threat like this - stuff that now looks rather prescient after a year and a half of covid. It does also suffer from the same weaknesses, perhaps even intensified. In particular there's not much dialogue that is really characters being theirselves as opposed to Liu exploring an idea through his characters. But the good parts were so compelling that this was far from ruining the book for me.
I was left with a few questions, two of which seem like weaknesses of the book:
1) Why did Ye pick Luo to have the conversation …
This book is in a lot of ways more of everything that Three Body Problem was. It's a huger sweep, a pretty intense exploration of how getting thrown into responsibility can break people, and it builds on a lot of the ideas of the first book about how ununified people would be in response to a threat like this - stuff that now looks rather prescient after a year and a half of covid. It does also suffer from the same weaknesses, perhaps even intensified. In particular there's not much dialogue that is really characters being theirselves as opposed to Liu exploring an idea through his characters. But the good parts were so compelling that this was far from ruining the book for me.
I was left with a few questions, two of which seem like weaknesses of the book:
1) Why did Ye pick Luo to have the conversation with that she does in the preface?
2) How did any other humans know that Luo would be important? (that conversation with Ye explains Trisolaris's interest - clearly they'd have been surveilling her intensely)
3) How is there a third book? Three Body Problem left the story with an obvious lead in for a sequel, but the ending to this book could have been a series ending. I am now intrigued and want to see where Liu takes this next.
That was my first thought after finishing the first novel in the trilogy. This second book didn't change that much in my thinking. It's still okay, I liked some aspects, such as the whole 'Wallfacer' idea, but it still had a few very weird subplots, that just seem so out of place. The whole romantic subplot made me cringe, it reminded me of mail order brides. The feelings, decisions and personality of the woman in question are unimportant. Maybe that's a cultural thing but there were so many pages about this whole thing and it's just weird.
The whole idea of the dark forest is interesting, the droplet was also a good part. I wish he put more time into the characters and the story, not just into the science. That's the thing, I remember most of the science, but the characters are all very much replaceable.
In the end, …
That was my first thought after finishing the first novel in the trilogy. This second book didn't change that much in my thinking. It's still okay, I liked some aspects, such as the whole 'Wallfacer' idea, but it still had a few very weird subplots, that just seem so out of place. The whole romantic subplot made me cringe, it reminded me of mail order brides. The feelings, decisions and personality of the woman in question are unimportant. Maybe that's a cultural thing but there were so many pages about this whole thing and it's just weird.
The whole idea of the dark forest is interesting, the droplet was also a good part. I wish he put more time into the characters and the story, not just into the science. That's the thing, I remember most of the science, but the characters are all very much replaceable.
In the end, I can't recommend this book. It's not bad, but there are so many better sci-fi books out there. It's good to see some non-American sci-fi authors out there, but that doesn't mean we have to blindly praise this one. It's like pumpkin spiced latte: It's fun to have something different once in a while, it's not bad, but on it's own, it's not that great.
I will read the last book, just to get it over with. Maybe it's gonna turn this whole ship around, but I don't have any high hopes. I still don't get why so many people recommend this book.
